If, through this transitional measure, the problem is solved smoothly and by the end of two five-year periods a retirement system is established. That will be a great victory for us.

• 如果花两个五年的时间，通过这种过渡的形式，稳妥地顺当地解决好这个问题，把退休制度逐步建立起来，那就是很大的胜利。